Comments on: Staggering displays of ignorance http://blog.amber.org/2006/03/21/staggering-displays-of-ignorance/ Thoughts of a minor lunatic Wed, 21 Oct 2009 01:55:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Koz Speaks http://blog.amber.org/2006/03/21/staggering-displays-of-ignorance/comment-page-1/#comment-5869 Koz Speaks Mon, 27 Mar 2006 06:59:31 +0000 http://blog.amber.org/2006/03/21/staggering-displays-of-ignorance/#comment-5869 This is Not a Community Problem... I’m sorry, but when you put yourself forward as a thought leader, you’re held to a higher standard than other people. When you start throwing stones at another community, you can expect a rebuttal. James failed to live up to the stan... This is Not a Community Problem…

I’m sorry, but when you put yourself forward as a thought leader, you’re held to a higher standard than other people. When you start throwing stones at another community, you can expect a rebuttal. James failed to live up to the stan…

]]> By: stephen o'grady http://blog.amber.org/2006/03/21/staggering-displays-of-ignorance/comment-page-1/#comment-5657 stephen o'grady Wed, 22 Mar 2006 19:41:45 +0000 http://blog.amber.org/2006/03/21/staggering-displays-of-ignorance/#comment-5657 well, i can't speak for my colleagues on the matter, but i would say that the subsequent undisclosed revision and editing of the post in question changes fundamentally the way that i view information from him. also bear in mind that he was just one of the voices we listened to - you could count Ryan Tomayko and lesscode among other members of the RedMonk Information community as well. we do our best to listen to lots of voices, until they give us a reason not to. well, i can’t speak for my colleagues on the matter, but i would say that the subsequent undisclosed revision and editing of the post in question changes fundamentally the way that i view information from him.

also bear in mind that he was just one of the voices we listened to – you could count Ryan Tomayko and lesscode among other members of the RedMonk Information community as well.

we do our best to listen to lots of voices, until they give us a reason not to.

]]> By: petrilli http://blog.amber.org/2006/03/21/staggering-displays-of-ignorance/comment-page-1/#comment-5656 petrilli Wed, 22 Mar 2006 12:08:55 +0000 http://blog.amber.org/2006/03/21/staggering-displays-of-ignorance/#comment-5656 I appreciate Stephen's comments and view the fact that RedMonk -- who Mr. McGovern advises, is tracking this as a "good thing," but for someone raised in the Socratic method of discourse the complete fallacious nature of Mr. McGovern's supporting "ideas" dilute the relevance of anything he says further. There are many issues with Ruby, but by first talking about how much he loves it and wants to help, and then demonstrating a complete, total and staggering lack of _any understanding_ of even basic syntax, much less actual implementations, he demonstrates with utmost clarity that he in point-of-fact only interested in generating 1) publicity for himself, 2) a pathetic straw-man argument that can be taken down, rather than the more interesting discourse that might result for an intellectual analysis of the situation. This is no different than saying "the world is flat, and here's why that matters." Perhaps there are observations that are relevant when viewed in a different context with a different supposition, but I refuse to even acknowledge them when they are prefaced by such staggering incompetence. That someone randomly gets a point right doesn't demonstrate skill, simply the nature of odds. Mr. McGovern fails the "Google sniff test," whereby I type the most obvious core words of his statement into Google, hit "search" and find clear and crisp counterveinang examples in the first page of answers. This demonstrates a total and complete lack of intellectual curiosity and further reinforces the artificial straw-man that is so popular with people. Such persons deserve ridicule and scorn, not consideration. I appreciate Stephen’s comments and view the fact that RedMonk—who Mr. McGovern advises, is tracking this as a “good thing,” but for someone raised in the Socratic method of discourse the complete fallacious nature of Mr. McGovern’s supporting “ideas” dilute the relevance of anything he says further. There are many issues with Ruby, but by first talking about how much he loves it and wants to help, and then demonstrating a complete, total and staggering lack of any understanding of even basic syntax, much less actual implementations, he demonstrates with utmost clarity that he in point-of-fact only interested in generating 1) publicity for himself, 2) a pathetic straw-man argument that can be taken down, rather than the more interesting discourse that might result for an intellectual analysis of the situation.

This is no different than saying “the world is flat, and here’s why that matters.” Perhaps there are observations that are relevant when viewed in a different context with a different supposition, but I refuse to even acknowledge them when they are prefaced by such staggering incompetence. That someone randomly gets a point right doesn’t demonstrate skill, simply the nature of odds.

Mr. McGovern fails the “Google sniff test,” whereby I type the most obvious core words of his statement into Google, hit “search” and find clear and crisp counterveinang examples in the first page of answers. This demonstrates a total and complete lack of intellectual curiosity and further reinforces the artificial straw-man that is so popular with people. Such persons deserve ridicule and scorn, not consideration.

]]> By: Anonymous http://blog.amber.org/2006/03/21/staggering-displays-of-ignorance/comment-page-1/#comment-5655 Anonymous Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:23:12 +0000 http://blog.amber.org/2006/03/21/staggering-displays-of-ignorance/#comment-5655 So, if you work for a large enterprise, why don't you create a case study on your enterprise usage? I assume it is preferable to comment on his posting rather than changing the perspective of others who also haven't considered Ruby? Would be interesting if you would respond to the following as your next entry whether the latter half of his posting had merit So, if you work for a large enterprise, why don’t you create a case study on your enterprise usage? I assume it is preferable to comment on his posting rather than changing the perspective of others who also haven’t considered Ruby?

Would be interesting if you would respond to the following as your next entry whether the latter half of his posting had merit

]]> By: stephen o'grady http://blog.amber.org/2006/03/21/staggering-displays-of-ignorance/comment-page-1/#comment-5652 stephen o'grady Wed, 22 Mar 2006 05:57:10 +0000 http://blog.amber.org/2006/03/21/staggering-displays-of-ignorance/#comment-5652 not to worry; just b/c he feeds us information doesn't mean we have to agree with it. i've disagreed with his notions here from the beginning - here's my latest: http://www.redmonk.com/sogrady/archives/001412.html not to worry; just b/c he feeds us information doesn’t mean we have to agree with it. i’ve disagreed with his notions here from the beginning – here’s my latest:

http://www.redmonk.com/sogrady/archives/001412.html

]]> By: Michael Koziarski http://blog.amber.org/2006/03/21/staggering-displays-of-ignorance/comment-page-1/#comment-5650 Michael Koziarski Wed, 22 Mar 2006 00:27:27 +0000 http://blog.amber.org/2006/03/21/staggering-displays-of-ignorance/#comment-5650 The most disturbing thing, is that he's a 'member of the Redmonk information community'. This guy doesn't just screw up the hartford, he feeds opinion into an analyst firm so he can hurt other companies too. The most disturbing thing, is that he’s a ‘member of the Redmonk information community’. This guy doesn’t just screw up the hartford, he feeds opinion into an analyst firm so he can hurt other companies too.

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