Comments on: Unintentional revelations http://blog.amber.org/2006/04/09/unintentional-revelations/ Thoughts of a minor lunatic Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:07:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: » Your pedestal is showing : Pensieri di un lunatico minore http://blog.amber.org/2006/04/09/unintentional-revelations/comment-page-1/#comment-6203 » Your pedestal is showing : Pensieri di un lunatico minore Fri, 14 Apr 2006 02:46:25 +0000 http://blog.amber.org/2006/04/09/unintentional-revelations/#comment-6203 [...] I just couldn’t pass this one up when “it was mentioned in a comment to an earlier post”: http://blog.amber.org/2006/04/09/unintentional-revelations/#comments. Proclaimed “enterprise architect” Robert McIlree is convinced that it’s enterprise architect versus the world. Really? The whole damned world? Or just a few people? Exaggeration is always a fun hobby. [...] [...] I just couldn’t pass this one up when “it was mentioned in a comment to an earlier post”: http://blog.amber.org/2006/04/09/unintentional-revelations/#comments. Proclaimed “enterprise architect” Robert McIlree is convinced that it’s enterprise architect versus the world. Really? The whole damned world? Or just a few people? Exaggeration is always a fun hobby. [...]

]]> By: Roger Culter http://blog.amber.org/2006/04/09/unintentional-revelations/comment-page-1/#comment-6201 Roger Culter Fri, 14 Apr 2006 02:01:15 +0000 http://blog.amber.org/2006/04/09/unintentional-revelations/#comment-6201 Would love your thoughts on this blog: http://enterprisearchitect.typepad.com/ea/2006/04/enterprise_arch.html Would love your thoughts on this blog: http://enterprisearchitect.typepad.com/ea/2006/04/enterprise_arch.html

]]> By: petrilli http://blog.amber.org/2006/04/09/unintentional-revelations/comment-page-1/#comment-6174 petrilli Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:27:18 +0000 http://blog.amber.org/2006/04/09/unintentional-revelations/#comment-6174 Mr. McGovern, beginning with your first article that I responded to, you demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of the system, the language and indeed even the nature of programming languages as a whole. Your article was riddled with factual errors, intellectual dishonesty and comple logical fallacies. Why is it you expect _us_ to do _your job_? That you miss the genuine irony of your position demonstrates that there is little self-reflection involved. Tools are nothing but that, and must be judged only in the context of their use, not the context of some abstract creation that serves the particular needs of those peddling their advice. _Nobody_ is trying to tell someone that Ruby, or Rails is there to solve all problems. It's simply a tool in my toolbelt, along with many others. How many tools are in your toolbelt, Mr. McGovern? Your analysis so far has demonstrated either a total lack of intellectual curiosity about the system, or the intentional willingness to paint a false picture of reality. Which would you prefer I assume? When someone states things that are demonstrably false -- so false that the first hit on Google proves you wrong -- and then deceptively changes them without proper notification that your work has been changed, do you really expect respect? Respect is earned, not bestowed. Your work is not worthy of my time any longer to analyze its fallacies, but instead, only the 15 seconds necessary to ridicule your "thought leadership" so that others might carefully examine its value before accepting it. Mr. McGovern, beginning with your first article that I responded to, you demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of the system, the language and indeed even the nature of programming languages as a whole. Your article was riddled with factual errors, intellectual dishonesty and comple logical fallacies.

Why is it you expect us to do your job? That you miss the genuine irony of your position demonstrates that there is little self-reflection involved.

Tools are nothing but that, and must be judged only in the context of their use, not the context of some abstract creation that serves the particular needs of those peddling their advice. Nobody is trying to tell someone that Ruby, or Rails is there to solve all problems. It’s simply a tool in my toolbelt, along with many others.

How many tools are in your toolbelt, Mr. McGovern? Your analysis so far has demonstrated either a total lack of intellectual curiosity about the system, or the intentional willingness to paint a false picture of reality. Which would you prefer I assume?

When someone states things that are demonstrably false— so false that the first hit on Google proves you wrong—and then deceptively changes them without proper notification that your work has been changed, do you really expect respect? Respect is earned, not bestowed.

Your work is not worthy of my time any longer to analyze its fallacies, but instead, only the 15 seconds necessary to ridicule your “thought leadership” so that others might carefully examine its value before accepting it.

]]> By: James http://blog.amber.org/2006/04/09/unintentional-revelations/comment-page-1/#comment-6173 James Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:45:18 +0000 http://blog.amber.org/2006/04/09/unintentional-revelations/#comment-6173 Thanks for quoting me as you have proved that the community can only respond with even more perspective yet you have still failed to state a single fact that proves otherwise. I will continue to ask the community to provide fact so that you guys can keep responding with everything but... Thanks for quoting me as you have proved that the community can only respond with even more perspective yet you have still failed to state a single fact that proves otherwise.

I will continue to ask the community to provide fact so that you guys can keep responding with everything but…

]]> By: petrilli http://blog.amber.org/2006/04/09/unintentional-revelations/comment-page-1/#comment-6168 petrilli Mon, 10 Apr 2006 02:14:44 +0000 http://blog.amber.org/2006/04/09/unintentional-revelations/#comment-6168 I'm quite aware of the issue that SOA isn't CORBA, but WS-* is trying to replicate much of what CORBA did, even if it's 10x slower and 100x more complicated -- an achievement of epic proportion. Having said that, you're obviously misinterpreting my definition of security. Security is not "talking about it." Security is doing it, solving it, breaking it, knowing why it fails, and how others might cause it to break. It is formal system analysis; certification and accreditation, and concepts like integrity propagation. I have read what Mr. McGovern has written, and nowhere in there do I see a demonstration of security as anything more than yet more enterprisey mumbo-jumbo that demonstrates lip-service over knowledge in my mind. I'm quite sure he fools lots of people -- that doesn't take much. By the way, hiding behind fake emails is hardly a way to engender confidence in your personal assessment of the situation. I’m quite aware of the issue that SOA isn’t CORBA, but WS-* is trying to replicate much of what CORBA did, even if it’s 10x slower and 100x more complicated—an achievement of epic proportion. Having said that, you’re obviously misinterpreting my definition of security.

Security is not “talking about it.” Security is doing it, solving it, breaking it, knowing why it fails, and how others might cause it to break. It is formal system analysis; certification and accreditation, and concepts like integrity propagation.

I have read what Mr. McGovern has written, and nowhere in there do I see a demonstration of security as anything more than yet more enterprisey mumbo-jumbo that demonstrates lip-service over knowledge in my mind. I’m quite sure he fools lots of people—that doesn’t take much.

By the way, hiding behind fake emails is hardly a way to engender confidence in your personal assessment of the situation.

]]> By: Roger http://blog.amber.org/2006/04/09/unintentional-revelations/comment-page-1/#comment-6164 Roger Sun, 09 Apr 2006 12:47:59 +0000 http://blog.amber.org/2006/04/09/unintentional-revelations/#comment-6164 You must haven't read any of James other blog entries as he talks about security more than any other topic. Maybe you should read his blog instead of reading into his blog. FYI SOA is not CORBA You must haven’t read any of James other blog entries as he talks about security more than any other topic. Maybe you should read his blog instead of reading into his blog.

FYI SOA is not CORBA

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