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		<title>By: Thought Leadership</title>
		<link>http://blog.amber.org/2006/04/13/your-pedestal-is-showing/#comment-10216</link>
		<dc:creator>Thought Leadership</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enterprise Architects versus the World...

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		<title>By: &#187; Blog Archiv &#187; â€śNews from the Blogsâ€? von Stefan Tilkov</title>
		<link>http://blog.amber.org/2006/04/13/your-pedestal-is-showing/#comment-7394</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Blog Archiv &#187; â€śNews from the Blogsâ€? von Stefan Tilkov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 08:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Eine der interessanteren Diskussionen â€” in bester Blogmanier simultan und verteilt gefĂĽhrt â€” entwickelte sich rund um die Frage, ob man fĂĽr die LĂ¶sung von â€śEnterpriseâ€?-Problemen unbedingt eine Technologie benĂ¶tigt, die das Wort auch im Namen fĂĽhrt. Nicht ganz zu unrecht argumentieren die Verfechter des â€ślesscodeâ€?-Ansatzes, dass weniger oft mehr ist. AusgelĂ¶st durch James McGovern, der Ruby und Ruby on Rails (RoR) sowie die dazugehĂ¶rige Bewegung um den Chefentwickler David Heinemeier Hansson als ungerechtfertigten Hype und fĂĽr den Unternehmenseinsatz vĂ¶llig ungeeignet geiĂźelt, hat sich neben diversen lesenswerten BeitrĂ¤gen zum Beispiel von James McIlree oder Chris Petrilli auch gleich ein eigenes, abfĂ¤llig gemeintes Wort fĂĽr den von Kanonen-auf-Spatzen-Ansatz etabliert: â€śEnterpriseyâ€?, mittlerweile sogar mit eigenem Wikipedia-Eintrag. Unbedingt einen Blick wert ist in diesem Zusammenhang auch das beeindruckendste aller Architekturdiagramme. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Eine der interessanteren Diskussionen â€” in bester Blogmanier simultan und verteilt gefĂĽhrt â€” entwickelte sich rund um die Frage, ob man fĂĽr die LĂ¶sung von â€śEnterpriseâ€?-Problemen unbedingt eine Technologie benĂ¶tigt, die das Wort auch im Namen fĂĽhrt. Nicht ganz zu unrecht argumentieren die Verfechter des â€ślesscodeâ€?-Ansatzes, dass weniger oft mehr ist. AusgelĂ¶st durch James McGovern, der Ruby und Ruby on Rails (RoR) sowie die dazugehĂ¶rige Bewegung um den Chefentwickler David Heinemeier Hansson als ungerechtfertigten Hype und fĂĽr den Unternehmenseinsatz vĂ¶llig ungeeignet geiĂźelt, hat sich neben diversen lesenswerten BeitrĂ¤gen zum Beispiel von James McIlree oder Chris Petrilli auch gleich ein eigenes, abfĂ¤llig gemeintes Wort fĂĽr den von Kanonen-auf-Spatzen-Ansatz etabliert: â€śEnterpriseyâ€?, mittlerweile sogar mit eigenem Wikipedia-Eintrag. Unbedingt einen Blick wert ist in diesem Zusammenhang auch das beeindruckendste aller Architekturdiagramme. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Butler</title>
		<link>http://blog.amber.org/2006/04/13/your-pedestal-is-showing/#comment-7016</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 06:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shit this sounds like 1996 to me.  There I was, pitching Java as the greatest thing ever, something that would change the way we did business.  Then the reality sank in  "How do we deploy it?"  "How do I talk to Sybase with it?" (this was 1996 and JDBC was just being thought of), and most importantly "Is anybody going to pay me for using this?"

Time rolls onward.  Ruby and RoR are now in the same position as Java was.  Sure, it's pretty slick but it's hard to get working well with Apache: (see http://duncandavidson.com/essay/2005/12/railsdeployment)
And how do I talk to CICS with it?  Are you sure everything works just as the docs say?  What if I have to spend a week working around a bug?

The thing is, you and McIlree are both right (even though he sounds like an arsehole).  Many apps need to be out the door quickly and suit lightweight tools and an agile approach.  Other apps require compliance with obscure regulations, have to talk to oddball legacy systems and still have to keep working round the clock.  These are more suited to heavy tools and a beauracratic development process.  Why can't people admit that there is more than one approach?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shit this sounds like 1996 to me.  There I was, pitching Java as the greatest thing ever, something that would change the way we did business.  Then the reality sank in  &#8220;How do we deploy it?&#8221;  &#8220;How do I talk to Sybase with it?&#8221; (this was 1996 and JDBC was just being thought of), and most importantly &#8220;Is anybody going to pay me for using this?&#8221;</p>
<p>Time rolls onward.  Ruby and RoR are now in the same position as Java was.  Sure, it&#8217;s pretty slick but it&#8217;s hard to get working well with Apache: (see <a href="http://duncandavidson.com/essay/2005/12/railsdeployment" rel="nofollow">http://duncandavidson.com/essay/2005/12/railsdeployment</a>)<br />
And how do I talk to CICS with it?  Are you sure everything works just as the docs say?  What if I have to spend a week working around a bug?</p>
<p>The thing is, you and McIlree are both right (even though he sounds like an arsehole).  Many apps need to be out the door quickly and suit lightweight tools and an agile approach.  Other apps require compliance with obscure regulations, have to talk to oddball legacy systems and still have to keep working round the clock.  These are more suited to heavy tools and a beauracratic development process.  Why can&#8217;t people admit that there is more than one approach?</p>
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		<title>By: JavaSPEKTRUM Blog &#187; Blog Archiv &#187; News from the Blogs</title>
		<link>http://blog.amber.org/2006/04/13/your-pedestal-is-showing/#comment-6831</link>
		<dc:creator>JavaSPEKTRUM Blog &#187; Blog Archiv &#187; News from the Blogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2006 18:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Eine der interessanteren Diskussionen &#8212; in bester Blogmanier simultan und verteilt gefĂĽhrt &#8212; entwickelte sich rund um die Frage, ob man fĂĽr die LĂ¶sung von &#8220;Enterprise&#8221;-Problemen unbedingt eine Technologie benĂ¶tigt, die das Wort auch im Namen fĂĽhrt. Nicht ganz zu unrecht argumentieren die Verfechter des &#8220;lesscode&#8221;-Ansatzes, dass weniger oft mehr ist. AusgelĂ¶st durch James McGovern, der Ruby und Ruby on Rails (RoR) sowie die dazugehĂ¶rige Bewegung um den Chefentwickler David Heinemeier Hansson als ungerechtfertigten Hype und fĂĽr den Unternehmenseinsatz vĂ¶llig ungeeignet geiĂźelt, hat sich neben diversen lesenswerten BeitrĂ¤gen zum Beispiel von James McIlree oder Chris Petrilli auch gleich ein eigenes, abfĂ¤llig gemeintes Wort fĂĽr den von Kanonen-auf-Spatzen-Ansatz etabliert: &#8220;Enterprisey&#8221;, mittlerweile sogar mit eigenem Wikipedia-Eintrag. Unbedingt einen Blick wert ist in diesem Zusammenhang auch das beeindruckendste aller Architekturdiagramme. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Eine der interessanteren Diskussionen &#8212; in bester Blogmanier simultan und verteilt gefĂĽhrt &#8212; entwickelte sich rund um die Frage, ob man fĂĽr die LĂ¶sung von &#8220;Enterprise&#8221;-Problemen unbedingt eine Technologie benĂ¶tigt, die das Wort auch im Namen fĂĽhrt. Nicht ganz zu unrecht argumentieren die Verfechter des &#8220;lesscode&#8221;-Ansatzes, dass weniger oft mehr ist. AusgelĂ¶st durch James McGovern, der Ruby und Ruby on Rails (RoR) sowie die dazugehĂ¶rige Bewegung um den Chefentwickler David Heinemeier Hansson als ungerechtfertigten Hype und fĂĽr den Unternehmenseinsatz vĂ¶llig ungeeignet geiĂźelt, hat sich neben diversen lesenswerten BeitrĂ¤gen zum Beispiel von James McIlree oder Chris Petrilli auch gleich ein eigenes, abfĂ¤llig gemeintes Wort fĂĽr den von Kanonen-auf-Spatzen-Ansatz etabliert: &#8220;Enterprisey&#8221;, mittlerweile sogar mit eigenem Wikipedia-Eintrag. Unbedingt einen Blick wert ist in diesem Zusammenhang auch das beeindruckendste aller Architekturdiagramme. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Beckford</title>
		<link>http://blog.amber.org/2006/04/13/your-pedestal-is-showing/#comment-6283</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Beckford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2006 06:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, couldn't have put it better myself. Infact the next time someone touts architecture nonsense to me I'll point them here.</description>
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		<title>By: If not now, when ? &#187; The J2EE backlash continues &#8230;</title>
		<link>http://blog.amber.org/2006/04/13/your-pedestal-is-showing/#comment-6278</link>
		<dc:creator>If not now, when ? &#187; The J2EE backlash continues &#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Apr 2006 23:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Now that RoR provided the valve to let the steam out of the Java web application pot we are seeing similar phenomena in the Java Enterprise pot. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Now that RoR provided the valve to let the steam out of the Java web application pot we are seeing similar phenomena in the Java Enterprise pot. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Nicolette</title>
		<link>http://blog.amber.org/2006/04/13/your-pedestal-is-showing/#comment-6274</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Nicolette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>
I'm not sure there's really a conflict between enterprise architects and others. At our company there are two different views of how software development projects should be done, and they're both right. I wonder if it's the same discussion in another context.


One view, coming from the IT area, is that the ideal model for IT is SOA, providing what we call an "enterprise service bus" hosting Web Services that can be called from any client application that needs them. The model makes sense in our environment because we have many mission-critical legacy applications that don't lend themselves to integration with contemporary development tools. The service bus also provides the "ilities" for the back-end environment, so that business-facing apps need not be as concerned with issues of scalability, performance, and security as they otherwise would. The idea is that (ideally) most business apps could be build by orchestrating service calls and providing a nice UI, with relatively little custom logic needed. All this would be funded from the base IT budget and would be cost-justified on the basis of long-term savings in operating costs - and that's the key to the disagreement.


The business side of the house is looking for quick time-to-market of small, vertical apps to help them meet short-term market opportunities. These projects are funded directly by business units and cost-justified on immediate impact to the bottom line. They don't see how it benefits them to contribute to the cost of building the enterprise service bus. 


We can deploy an agile development team to a business unit to create a solution quickly. We could do the same if that team could orchestrate back-end services, too. But the challenge is to get the business people on board with the long-term cost savings of the SOA model. 


So both camps are really seeking the same thing - a reliable way to deliver business value.
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I&#8217;m not sure there&#8217;s really a conflict between enterprise architects and others. At our company there are two different views of how software development projects should be done, and they&#8217;re both right. I wonder if it&#8217;s the same discussion in another context.</p>
<p>One view, coming from the IT area, is that the ideal model for IT is SOA, providing what we call an &#8220;enterprise service bus&#8221; hosting Web Services that can be called from any client application that needs them. The model makes sense in our environment because we have many mission-critical legacy applications that don&#8217;t lend themselves to integration with contemporary development tools. The service bus also provides the &#8220;ilities&#8221; for the back-end environment, so that business-facing apps need not be as concerned with issues of scalability, performance, and security as they otherwise would. The idea is that (ideally) most business apps could be build by orchestrating service calls and providing a nice UI, with relatively little custom logic needed. All this would be funded from the base IT budget and would be cost-justified on the basis of long-term savings in operating costs &#8211; and that&#8217;s the key to the disagreement.</p>
<p>The business side of the house is looking for quick time-to-market of small, vertical apps to help them meet short-term market opportunities. These projects are funded directly by business units and cost-justified on immediate impact to the bottom line. They don&#8217;t see how it benefits them to contribute to the cost of building the enterprise service bus. </p>
<p>We can deploy an agile development team to a business unit to create a solution quickly. We could do the same if that team could orchestrate back-end services, too. But the challenge is to get the business people on board with the long-term cost savings of the SOA model. </p>
<p>So both camps are really seeking the same thing &#8211; a reliable way to deliver business value.</p>
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		<title>By: Pricey Enterprisey at MissingMethod - Build Something Beautiful</title>
		<link>http://blog.amber.org/2006/04/13/your-pedestal-is-showing/#comment-6247</link>
		<dc:creator>Pricey Enterprisey at MissingMethod - Build Something Beautiful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Apr 2006 22:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Chris Petrilli has a good rant against Robert Mcllree&#8217;s lament that enterprise architects are fighting a battle against, well, everyone. In response to Robert&#8217;s argument that serious software involves more time and money than &#8220;agile&#8221; folks care to admit, Chris says: If you deliver an â€śenterprise solutionâ€? in 2 years, and I deliver what you degrade as a â€śnon-enterprise solutionâ€? next week, whose solution do you think earns more money for the organization? Who do you think abates the costs faster? Most importantly, who do you think learns where the mistakes are and the real requirements exist. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Chris Petrilli has a good rant against Robert Mcllree&#8217;s lament that enterprise architects are fighting a battle against, well, everyone. In response to Robert&#8217;s argument that serious software involves more time and money than &#8220;agile&#8221; folks care to admit, Chris says: If you deliver an â€śenterprise solutionâ€? in 2 years, and I deliver what you degrade as a â€śnon-enterprise solutionâ€? next week, whose solution do you think earns more money for the organization? Who do you think abates the costs faster? Most importantly, who do you think learns where the mistakes are and the real requirements exist. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: petrilli</title>
		<link>http://blog.amber.org/2006/04/13/your-pedestal-is-showing/#comment-6245</link>
		<dc:creator>petrilli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Apr 2006 21:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Negotiating with business people is often difficult. My experience is that it is made doubly so by past advisors who taut the complexity that is innate in their solutions. Instead of shoeing them away like the vampires of productivity that they are, they are embraced. Unteaching this behavior is the single hardest thing. Accepting that you will fail with some customers is also important.

The hardest thing I ever learned is when I don't want someone's money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Negotiating with business people is often difficult. My experience is that it is made doubly so by past advisors who taut the complexity that is innate in their solutions. Instead of shoeing them away like the vampires of productivity that they are, they are embraced. Unteaching this behavior is the single hardest thing. Accepting that you will fail with some customers is also important.</p>
<p>The hardest thing I ever learned is when I don&#8217;t want someone&#8217;s money.</p>
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		<title>By: JT</title>
		<link>http://blog.amber.org/2006/04/13/your-pedestal-is-showing/#comment-6240</link>
		<dc:creator>JT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some really mature and compelling thoughts here.
I value people that can grab onto semantics and generate good dialogue.
Question:  If the answer to architecture is breaking a complex business requirement into the simple functionality that brings the most value to the business...help me understand (1) what are some good approaches to negotiating this with the business customer (2) what happens 3 years later when multiple internal customer have built out redundant capabilities and highly customized automation that may not scale when they realize they need 4x more then originally requested?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some really mature and compelling thoughts here.<br />
I value people that can grab onto semantics and generate good dialogue.<br />
Question:  If the answer to architecture is breaking a complex business requirement into the simple functionality that brings the most value to the business&#8230;help me understand (1) what are some good approaches to negotiating this with the business customer (2) what happens 3 years later when multiple internal customer have built out redundant capabilities and highly customized automation that may not scale when they realize they need 4x more then originally requested?</p>
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		<title>By: Indefinite Articles &#187; Enterprise Architecture and Thou</title>
		<link>http://blog.amber.org/2006/04/13/your-pedestal-is-showing/#comment-6220</link>
		<dc:creator>Indefinite Articles &#187; Enterprise Architecture and Thou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 11:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Now, admittedly, I don&#8217;t know anything about Enterprise Architecture, since over the last nine years I&#8217;ve been the only architect, one of two or (luxury) one of three architects for the entire company.Â  I&#8217;ve only had to integrate products and services with F500 architectures, I&#8217;ve never had to own one.Â  Correspondingly this &#8220;fisking&#8221; of the previous artitle resonated with me.Â  But after further reflection, I think it is also unfair to Mr. McIlree is working for a large company.Â  People who work for large companies typically do not care about the company.Â  They care about having and keeping a job.Â  For many people, their employer is nothing more than an endless salad bar - whose function in life is to provide the employee with a salary.Â  (That, typically, is one of the key differences between working for large and small companies) In that kind of environment, large budgets are a symptom of sponsors who care about their own projects.Â  Let&#8217;s say we have Edna, who has money for a project that will improve her department.Â  Because of architectural constraints, it will cost her $1MM (1 million dollars).Â  Now, you&#8217;re the architect, and you know that with a $2MM extra investment, you could do a radical overhaul of the company&#8217;s architecture and make it so the next project for Edna would only cost $100,000 instead of $1MM. But Edna is not going to authorize $3MM to pay for a $1MM project, unless she&#8217;s astonishingly perceptive or swimming in excess budget.Â  It&#8217;s not particularly fair to her to expect her to do so. Â  So you have to try to go to all of the department heads to convince them that $2MM divided up by 10 departments is a pittance in exchange for a cheaper/better/faster enterprise. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Now, admittedly, I don&#8217;t know anything about Enterprise Architecture, since over the last nine years I&#8217;ve been the only architect, one of two or (luxury) one of three architects for the entire company.Â  I&#8217;ve only had to integrate products and services with F500 architectures, I&#8217;ve never had to own one.Â  Correspondingly this &#8220;fisking&#8221; of the previous artitle resonated with me.Â  But after further reflection, I think it is also unfair to Mr. McIlree is working for a large company.Â  People who work for large companies typically do not care about the company.Â  They care about having and keeping a job.Â  For many people, their employer is nothing more than an endless salad bar &#8211; whose function in life is to provide the employee with a salary.Â  (That, typically, is one of the key differences between working for large and small companies) In that kind of environment, large budgets are a symptom of sponsors who care about their own projects.Â  Let&#8217;s say we have Edna, who has money for a project that will improve her department.Â  Because of architectural constraints, it will cost her $1MM (1 million dollars).Â  Now, you&#8217;re the architect, and you know that with a $2MM extra investment, you could do a radical overhaul of the company&#8217;s architecture and make it so the next project for Edna would only cost $100,000 instead of $1MM. But Edna is not going to authorize $3MM to pay for a $1MM project, unless she&#8217;s astonishingly perceptive or swimming in excess budget.Â  It&#8217;s not particularly fair to her to expect her to do so. Â  So you have to try to go to all of the department heads to convince them that $2MM divided up by 10 departments is a pittance in exchange for a cheaper/better/faster enterprise. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: petrilli</title>
		<link>http://blog.amber.org/2006/04/13/your-pedestal-is-showing/#comment-6214</link>
		<dc:creator>petrilli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 03:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know they're not dead, but they have missed their window of opportunity. I'm reasonably proficient in both Smalltalk and Lisp (Lisp was my first language after assembler, and Smalltalk my introduction to OOP on one of the old Xerox Dandelions). Ruby stands the chance of illuminating some of the Smalltalk world, I hope.

My general guideline as a hiring manager is that if you don't have at least one or two "non mainstream" languages on your resume and have reasonable proficiency with them, then I'm not interested. A resume of C, C++, Java, VB, etc. demonstrates a distinct lack of diversity and more likely a lack of curiosity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know they&#8217;re not dead, but they have missed their window of opportunity. I&#8217;m reasonably proficient in both Smalltalk and Lisp (Lisp was my first language after assembler, and Smalltalk my introduction to OOP on one of the old Xerox Dandelions). Ruby stands the chance of illuminating some of the Smalltalk world, I hope.</p>
<p>My general guideline as a hiring manager is that if you don&#8217;t have at least one or two &#8220;non mainstream&#8221; languages on your resume and have reasonable proficiency with them, then I&#8217;m not interested. A resume of C, C++, Java, VB, etc. demonstrates a distinct lack of diversity and more likely a lack of curiosity.</p>
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		<title>By: Zak</title>
		<link>http://blog.amber.org/2006/04/13/your-pedestal-is-showing/#comment-6213</link>
		<dc:creator>Zak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 03:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Smalltalk was better, so was Lisp"

Smalltalk and Lisp aren't dead, though they're rumored to smell funny. I don't know about deployment within "enterprises", but I can think of several startups using one or the other.

Using languages like Smalltalk and Lisp is a great way to attract highly skilled programmers. It's incompatible with the way large organizations seem to run projects, but highly compatible with getting stuff done quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Smalltalk was better, so was Lisp&#8221;</p>
<p>Smalltalk and Lisp aren&#8217;t dead, though they&#8217;re rumored to smell funny. I don&#8217;t know about deployment within &#8220;enterprises&#8221;, but I can think of several startups using one or the other.</p>
<p>Using languages like Smalltalk and Lisp is a great way to attract highly skilled programmers. It&#8217;s incompatible with the way large organizations seem to run projects, but highly compatible with getting stuff done quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: Yoav Shapira</title>
		<link>http://blog.amber.org/2006/04/13/your-pedestal-is-showing/#comment-6211</link>
		<dc:creator>Yoav Shapira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 22:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the best blog entries I've seen in a long, long time.  I couldn't have said any of it better -- thank you.

Lloyd's quote is the one I was going to quote as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the best blog entries I&#8217;ve seen in a long, long time.  I couldn&#8217;t have said any of it better&#8212;thank you.</p>
<p>Lloyd&#8217;s quote is the one I was going to quote as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Dalton</title>
		<link>http://blog.amber.org/2006/04/13/your-pedestal-is-showing/#comment-6210</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd Dalton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 20:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well put:

Not all problems are knowable. Until you accept this perspective, you will continually pursue the perfect to the deficit of the good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put:</p>
<p>Not all problems are knowable. Until you accept this perspective, you will continually pursue the perfect to the deficit of the good.</p>
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		<title>By: Loud Thinking</title>
		<link>http://blog.amber.org/2006/04/13/your-pedestal-is-showing/#comment-6207</link>
		<dc:creator>Loud Thinking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taking the enterprisey to task...

Speaking of death stars and their sympathizers, I've been enjoying Chris Petrilli's meticulous deconstruction of the arguments. He takes Robert......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taking the enterprisey to task&#8230;</p>
<p>Speaking of death stars and their sympathizers, I&#8217;ve been enjoying Chris Petrilli&#8217;s meticulous deconstruction of the arguments. He takes Robert&#8230;...</p>
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