Comments on: Shattering news: non-RDBMS not a RDBMS http://blog.amber.org/2008/04/21/shattering-news-non-rdbms-not-a-rdbms/ Thoughts of a minor lunatic Wed, 21 Oct 2009 01:55:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: www.tagsto.com/trackback/ http://blog.amber.org/2008/04/21/shattering-news-non-rdbms-not-a-rdbms/comment-page-1/#comment-52038 www.tagsto.com/trackback/ Sun, 11 May 2008 19:48:17 +0000 http://blog.amber.org/2008/04/21/shattering-news-non-rdbms-not-a-rdbms/#comment-52038 Hubs of Shattering news: non-RDBMS not a RDBMS... hubs about Relational Databases to In earth-shattering news, Ryan Park has revealed that CouchDB is not a relational database, and therefore may not behave like a relational database. Glad we got that out of the way. In more important news: ...... Hubs of Shattering news: non-RDBMS not a RDBMS…

hubs about Relational Databases to In earth-shattering news, Ryan Park has revealed that CouchDB is not a relational database, and therefore may not behave like a relational database. Glad we got that out of the way. In more important news: ......

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By: petrilli http://blog.amber.org/2008/04/21/shattering-news-non-rdbms-not-a-rdbms/comment-page-1/#comment-51953 petrilli Wed, 23 Apr 2008 05:29:15 +0000 http://blog.amber.org/2008/04/21/shattering-news-non-rdbms-not-a-rdbms/#comment-51953 [Vagif] I do not, unfortunately. For the application I was developing, we used AllegroCache, and didn't really seriously look at anything else. [Sriram] My complaint was that the perspective is one filtered through the lens of RDBMS attributes. An RDBMS is great for certain applications, most especially those whose data set's natural shape is rectangular, and which contain a paucity of information within the relations. Once those relations become critical, or the data set shifts and morphs shapes, the traditional RDBMS collapses into a crying heap on the floor, and those "benefits" become an albatross. The end point is that it's important to understand a multitude of tools and realize that strengths and weaknesses are relative to the perspective you have and the application you envision. [Vagif] I do not, unfortunately. For the application I was developing, we used AllegroCache, and didn’t really seriously look at anything else.

[Sriram] My complaint was that the perspective is one filtered through the lens of RDBMS attributes. An RDBMS is great for certain applications, most especially those whose data set’s natural shape is rectangular, and which contain a paucity of information within the relations. Once those relations become critical, or the data set shifts and morphs shapes, the traditional RDBMS collapses into a crying heap on the floor, and those “benefits” become an albatross.

The end point is that it’s important to understand a multitude of tools and realize that strengths and weaknesses are relative to the perspective you have and the application you envision.

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By: Sriram Krishnan http://blog.amber.org/2008/04/21/shattering-news-non-rdbms-not-a-rdbms/comment-page-1/#comment-51946 Sriram Krishnan Tue, 22 Apr 2008 07:47:16 +0000 http://blog.amber.org/2008/04/21/shattering-news-non-rdbms-not-a-rdbms/#comment-51946 I dont think you are interpreting Ryan's post correctly. His criticism is *not* that SimpleDb is not an RDBMS. He's pointing out that SimpleDB doesn't give you a lot of things that most developers take for granted with an RDBMS and some of those things might be hard to build. Just to pick one example, take his example of an aggregation function. Now you either have to incure the perf hit of retrieving all entities or you have to do extra calculation at create/update time - both slower than what an RDBMS would give you. I dont think you are interpreting Ryan’s post correctly. His criticism is not that SimpleDb is not an RDBMS. He’s pointing out that SimpleDB doesn’t give you a lot of things that most developers take for granted with an RDBMS and some of those things might be hard to build.

Just to pick one example, take his example of an aggregation function. Now you either have to incure the perf hit of retrieving all entities or you have to do extra calculation at create/update time – both slower than what an RDBMS would give you.

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By: Vagif Verdi http://blog.amber.org/2008/04/21/shattering-news-non-rdbms-not-a-rdbms/comment-page-1/#comment-51944 Vagif Verdi Tue, 22 Apr 2008 05:03:40 +0000 http://blog.amber.org/2008/04/21/shattering-news-non-rdbms-not-a-rdbms/#comment-51944 I see you mention AllegroCache. Do you have any experience with open source lisp oodb solutions like elephant or rucksack ? I see you mention AllegroCache. Do you have any experience with open source lisp oodb solutions like elephant or rucksack ?

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